tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post8412926312881738610..comments2023-10-20T15:38:54.730+05:30Comments on Mundane Journey: Price RationalizationPrashant Mehtahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08828932160526823509noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-42610465598264291162011-08-18T01:56:56.791+05:302011-08-18T01:56:56.791+05:30nidhi ji
Thanks!
VikramAdith ji
I agree. We cann...<b>nidhi ji</b><br />Thanks!<br /><br /><b>VikramAdith ji </b><br />I agree. We cannot execute it end to end. We can start with a few high-impact areas<br /><br /><b>Brijender Singh ji </b><br />Well, i brought in the Copenhagen 2009 summit event not to make a case for price rationalization - but to acknowledge that implementing it will be very difficult. Could you please let me know which transient monitory problem are you referring to? The issue of environment is definitely not transient and not really related to money.<br /><br /><b>the critics ji </b><br />I totally agree about the living as a group part. But when such a thing doesn't work, we need to find alternative. I doubt if anyone would part their income and share it with others unless imposed by law. So, when we don't want to share our wealth (assets), we should also be not sharing our liabilities (pollution we create). <br /><br />Price Rationalization wants to address that very issue that you mentioned. Currently, a person has no incentive of not using plastic because he thinks that if doesn't use then someone else will. However, with price rationalization they will have to pay the price for using plastic - all by themselves.<br /><br />Hope i am able to convey my thoughts. Thanks for your feedback!Prashant Mehtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08828932160526823509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-41353773993476311802011-08-17T19:33:38.067+05:302011-08-17T19:33:38.067+05:30i cannot agree or disagree with you completely.......i cannot agree or disagree with you completely...... pay for what you eat that is right concept - but that's now how it exist in the society right, the so-called human society. when we live as a group it is as a group we take up responsibility for our actions ........<br /><br />using plastics is wrong i cannot avoid the consequences happening to me simply because i stop avoiding them completely but still if i stop using it then someone-else in the society also share the benefit......thats how it works right.......rationalization of money...maybe it will happen if we go back to stone age when no money existed...maybe those are the better days too.....;.............<br /><br /><br />very interesting and stimulating...thank you for writing up something stimulating...loved it....the criticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212062315291162243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-83151724846988730932011-08-17T13:29:40.431+05:302011-08-17T13:29:40.431+05:30You make a convincing case for price rationalizati...You make a convincing case for price rationalization, especially through your allusion to the futility of Copenhagen 2009.<br />In an age with inflated mark-ups plaguing almost every aspect of our lives, this argument gains potency and urgency too.<br />Yet, one wonders if the very basics of economics as also the interspersed dynamics of pareto-optimality, elasticity and absolute/comparative advantages should be subverted to ease an essentially transient, pecuniary problem.Brijender Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08584332462958039680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-60222302051167148272011-08-17T10:04:19.645+05:302011-08-17T10:04:19.645+05:30Understanding the impact of our actions (in this c...Understanding the impact of our actions (in this case purchases) right from the creation of a product, to its consumption would be a mind boggling exercise in measurement that might just be impossible to execute.<br /><br />Probably following the 80-20 rule, we could cover most of the important impacts though.VikramAdithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02130485713937856907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-71440853001607127962011-08-17T07:47:04.411+05:302011-08-17T07:47:04.411+05:30very relevant topic..the idea is really great..nic...very relevant topic..the idea is really great..nice concept :)<br /><a href="http://interpretingthoughts.blogspot.com/2011/08/free.html" rel="nofollow"> FREE </a>nidhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13059930025061147789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-77190737245537698682011-08-16T21:39:47.535+05:302011-08-16T21:39:47.535+05:30Sadiya Merchant ji
Yes. Changing a system overnig...<b>Sadiya Merchant ji </b><br />Yes. Changing a system overnight may create a lot of issues. And we should implement it in phased manner. A small step at a time. Learn from each step and fine-tune the strategy at each level. <br /><br />I would get more context about what you said if you could elaborate on what problems you are referring to.<br /><br /><b>D2 ji</b><br />I agree. The idea is a little idealistic. We have seen such talks failing at an international level. But we need to take a step forward. With the Internet making the world flat - we need to make an effort to create awareness.<br /><br /><b>Aashish Sood </b><br />Unfortunately. However, i am optimistic. Not because of my inherent nature but because we don't have a way out. What are we going to get if earth, the only planet we have, is no longer livable?<br /><br /><b>Anonymous ji</b><br />Thanks!<br /><br /><b>Anitha ji </b><br />Oh yes. It has started. We have started paying price for the decomposition of plastic. We need to institutionalize the same principle throughout.<br /><br /><b>pri ji</b><br />Thanks!Prashant Mehtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08828932160526823509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-75398744088897715102011-08-16T21:28:39.471+05:302011-08-16T21:28:39.471+05:30aativas ji
Yep. I agree.
Someone is Special ji
...<b>aativas ji </b><br />Yep. I agree.<br /><br /><b>Someone is Special ji </b><br />Thanks!<br /><br /><b>Vikram Pyati ji</b><br />Thanks!<br /><br /><b>CRD ji</b><br />This is exactly my point. Right now we "think" that normal fuel is less expensive than the more environment friendly options. My question is - who decides the price of the fuel - demand-supply? Regulations? I am sure you remember September 2008 when the US economy collapsed? The price of a houses reduced drastically. The same house that was expensive has now become cheaper. The point i am trying to make is that prices of things could be changed to reflect the ecosystem at that point in time and this is what i mean by "Price Rationalization". <br /><br />I want to question - why are chemical pesticide cheaper than organic ones? From a demand perspective, "no one" would want to use chemical pesticide vis-a-vis organic if they were of the same price. So, the price difference is primarily because of the supply end. And this is where "regulatory" agencies come in. They should rationalize the price so that "organic fertilizers" have an equal playing field.<br /><br /><br /><b>The Fool ji </b><br />Agreed. This is a problem with government intervention. But that's a different problem altogether. I think we need to break a problem into smaller ones and address them. I totally agree that there will be leakage of funds because of corruption - but i think that's a compromise we need to make - it's a trade-off between larger environmental hazards and minor (compared to the environmental hazards) fund leakagePrashant Mehtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08828932160526823509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-63720605849837222112011-08-16T20:05:22.754+05:302011-08-16T20:05:22.754+05:30a very idealistic and practical approach to a genu...a very idealistic and practical approach to a genuine issue...<br /><br />if only this kind of realisation dawned on more..sigh!<br /><br />but like you said, changes wont occur overnight---and public awareness is the first step.<br />kudos to you!!<br /><br />all the best for BAT :)<br /><br />you can read my entry here---<br /><a href="http://lifeofpri.blogspot.com/2011/08/free.html" rel="nofollow">FREE</a>Prihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023126998314268275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-46628827552006230302011-08-16T16:05:10.086+05:302011-08-16T16:05:10.086+05:30"Who pays for the decomposition of the plasti..."Who pays for the decomposition of the plastic bag that is give "free" along with the apple?"<br /><br />It might take time to implement this globally. But this can be done easily in private shops.<br />Few are already doing this.<br />Recently, I went to Homecentre(lifestyle) for shopping. At the time of billing, that guy asked me extra Rs.7 if I need plastic cover for the things I bought. I got angry for a split second that they are charging money for cover also. But later, I thought it serves me well for not carrying bag. I am impressed.Anithanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-15413339560324529112011-08-16T14:53:49.557+05:302011-08-16T14:53:49.557+05:30Very well written and thought provoking . Have gon...Very well written and thought provoking . Have gone through all the comments and i was bit surprised to see that most of them think this is infeasible. is it really so? I see big words such as "third world nations", "demand", "supply" and "subsidies" .Though, i don't understand most of them, i would like to be observational and confine to basics.<br />if VAT(value added tax) could account for the whole supply chain process (tangibles) then i don't see a reason why is it not feasible to account for the intangibles (could be pollution created by plastic too :))<br />Also,recent shoppers would realize that most of the stores started charging for the carry bags they provide you (Check your bill once again :))<br />So, i see that things are changing rather slowly but i don't think that factoring in costs for the means is not infeasible. After-all pay for what you getAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-70916370757342349562011-08-16T10:03:03.653+05:302011-08-16T10:03:03.653+05:30First time I have been on your blog and I liked it...First time I have been on your blog and I liked it... I liked the topic that you have discussed and rather liked the idea of pay for what you eat concept... unfortunately, I dont think that this kind of situation would ever be implemented as the sellers would want the demand to increase; regardless of the cost to the environment.<br /><br />ATB for BAT<br /><br />Do check out my entry at <a href="http://aashishsood.blogspot.com/2011/08/free.html" rel="nofollow"> Free? To do what exactly?</a><br /><br />Regards<br /><a href="http://aashishsood.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Wandering Thoughts</a>Aashish Soodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01008682342586125061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-54297771904735838192011-08-16T09:51:56.474+05:302011-08-16T09:51:56.474+05:30I do like the idea. However, as Sadiya also said, ...I do like the idea. However, as Sadiya also said, the idea is impractical in the current scenario of the world, especially considering the third world nations and the developing countries. All these nations lack the resources to make contingencies. <br />For example, in most European countries and in the USA, plastic bags have either been replaced by paper bags or the plastic bags are always sent for recycling. India doesn't have the money to spend on such issues at the moment. In fact, no developing and under-developed nation has the money or resources to be utilized in such ventures. <br />They have too much on their plates.<br />The idea seems too idealistic in the current scenario of the world.D2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04659198938158373406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-39286683885489368912011-08-15T17:03:35.152+05:302011-08-15T17:03:35.152+05:30neat concept.
tho to b very honest i don think it ...neat concept.<br />tho to b very honest i don think it feasible.<br />also wat i undrstnd is u wish to mk d system more geometric or slab oriented n my exposure isn very much bt frm d littl i kno, in d long run dat creates far more problems n b4 u hav figured out a way to mk sens of d new system in place, millions hav alredy bn shorted.<br /><br />i agree individual accountability is important bt hey lets nt forget, v stil liv in india.<br />nt an xcuse bt rather another issue summed to d ones dat alredy exist :)Sadiya Merchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03316384629883317783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-63365393366622747572011-08-15T13:42:50.736+05:302011-08-15T13:42:50.736+05:30Very relavent topic. A problem economists have bee...Very relavent topic. A problem economists have been grapling with - The free rider problem. Thats where government role comes in. And more government role means opening the road for more corruption. So we are in a ctach 22situation here. Nicely written. I have been missing the essay genre in Blg-a-ton these days. Good to see one again.<br /><br />You can find my entry here <a href="http://luciferhouseinc.blogspot.com/2011/08/in-search-of-freedom.html" rel="nofollow">In search of freedom</a>T F Carthickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417105427125776020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-10166637511719033472011-08-15T10:46:52.004+05:302011-08-15T10:46:52.004+05:30Hi Prashant,
The suggestion you've made cannot...Hi Prashant,<br />The suggestion you've made cannot be applied universally. For example, using normal fuel would be a less expensive option than using alternative fuels that are more eco-friendly. The cost of processing is much higher in the case of the latter. Look at CNG for example.<br /><br />Penalising the user for using cheaper eco-deteriorating products might not be possible in cases where livelihoods are at stake. You can't expect poor farmers to spend more in order to substitute harmful pesticides with something more eco-friendly. Pricing here will depend on demand-supply constraints, and price wars will determine who emerges all-trumps.<br /><br />In such a scenario, governmental regulations is not necessarily a better approach, but is more feasible. <br /><br />All the best for the COntest :)<br /><br />Cheers<br />CRD<br /><br />Do check out my entry<br /><a href="http://scriptedinsanity.blogspot.com/2011/08/them-slaves_15.html" rel="nofollow">Them Slaves</a>CRDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14040468252329133910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-6436968407980099812011-08-15T06:18:01.888+05:302011-08-15T06:18:01.888+05:30Nice essay on pricing in the value chain. It must ...Nice essay on pricing in the value chain. It must need to be rationalised. Mind-stimulating !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-82306352095892124622011-08-15T03:17:55.532+05:302011-08-15T03:17:55.532+05:30Very well written and very well explained....Can&#...Very well written and very well explained....Can't agree more with you.Vikram Pyatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17652035637623101393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-50347503628207803252011-08-15T00:43:15.998+05:302011-08-15T00:43:15.998+05:30Hi Prashant,
Welcome To Blog-a-Ton! A very import...Hi Prashant,<br /><br />Welcome To Blog-a-Ton! A very important topic, I must say.<br /><br />Who pays for the decompostion of the plastic bag? Beautiful thought.. I understand & agree to the proverb, "There is nothing called a free lunch." Thought provoking post.. Good luck for Blog-a-Ton. <a href="http://pendownmythought.blogspot.com/2011/08/free-are-we.html" rel="nofollow">Free... are we?</a><br /><br />Someone is SpecialSomeone is Specialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16271391140125090742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2372782620110680840.post-52618188753748204722011-08-15T00:14:23.084+05:302011-08-15T00:14:23.084+05:30You have written on a very important topic. Some a...You have written on a very important topic. Some assume that they are paying no cost, 'Zero Cost' - but someone else is already paying for it. It is time we look at the 'free' things culture and bring in change.aativashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10637505515780080897noreply@blogger.com